Cabbages And Kings

Walrus I’m rooting for Cleveland in Game 7 but without much hope.If the bottom half of the Red Sox line-up starts knocking in runs then you are in trouble.Let’s hope Dice-K continues with his post season form.

With reference to my last post, I’m pleased to announce that the England rugby team lost the World Cup Final, although this article indicates that Rugby Union only helps to divide the races in post apartheid South Africa.

On a lighter note,Stephen Bywater, the goalkeeper for my soccer team (Derby County) caused chaos and outrage this week by spelling out the "c" word on live television (essentially the soccer equivalent of "Baseball Tonight"). He obviously felt that announcing the four letter word one letter at a time was perfectly acceptable.Needless to say there have been repercussions, with at least 2 producers sacked,one presenter being moved to another job and the female presenter of the show taking 2 months off work with "stress".

Whilst I in now way condone his actions, having seen previous interviews I am more than a little surprised that he managed to spell the word correctly.

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11 comments

  1. SomeBallyard

    Appears over there, like over here, that is the ONE word you don’t say, which has always fascinated me. What is it that makes that particular obscenity any different than references to male genitalia (e.g., ****, *****, prong, schlong–how many of these get censored???). What is it with any word that causes such a reaction?

    Michael Norton – Some Clubhouse

    http://mlblog.someballyard.com

  2. Russell

    Michael-don’t have the answer, but you will hopefully have increased the number of hits I get from certain google searches.

  3. Matt

    All these words are objectifying, but thru usage, I think, the references to male genitalia, while targeted exclusively at males obviously, have become primarily individual behavioral criticisms (ie What a d*ck, such a pr*ck, etc), connoting an aggressive “male” selfishness. The c word (much like the N referring to people of color), is still more of a general slur, not a targeted behavioral putdown as much as an objectifying, reductive class action, that is somehow more demeaning.

    It might also have something to do with biological connotations and stereotypes. A hole is something of a cipher, adding a nasty edge to the objectification. It’s a loathsome little word.

  4. Russell

    Matt-I’m annoyed that I didn’t think of the “N” word comparison but you are right. We may though have a slight cultural difference in it’s usage and acceptance, see later in this piece

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

    for differences in Britan,USA,etc. I’ve certainly heard it used over here as “friendly” insult. And our Goalkeeper was using the word about himself, as in “my coach told me to stop being a c-u-*-*”

    Either way I am confident that this discussion will take this blog back to the front page of MLBlogs.

  5. Matt

    Interesting. Honestly, the cultural difference in acceptance sounds more than slight. The chicken and egg relationship between usage and connotation is fascinating – the more they’re used, words become less defined and literal. The less they’re used, like the verboten c and n here in the states, the more powerful (and offensive) they seem to become.

  6. Russell

    I certainly don’t want to give the impression that the word is used often over here,but it seems to be more acceptable in certain settings.But for any Americans planning to visit England I don’t recommend using it as a greeting.

  7. SomeBallyard

    Russell, Matt,

    What throws something of a monkey wrench into the discussion (if you’ll pardon the metaphor in this context) is the fact that other words referencing female genitalia are relatively acceptable, e.g., tw*t. My question really is, what makes “the c word” so much more offensive?

    Michael Norton – Some Clubhouse

    http://mlblog.someclubhouse.com

  8. Russell

    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean–neither more nor less.”

    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean many different things.”

    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master–that’s all.”

    Michael-I think that society has deemed the word to be unnacceptable and therefore it is.It can’t be solely due to it’s misogynistic overtones or what it refers to,otherwise “Pus** Galore” would not appear in the Bond movies.Personally I think a lot is to do with the sound.Like “f***” it is a short,guttural,word that almost has to be spat out.And,maybe,we need words that can’t be said to measure the limits of our society.

  9. SomeBallyard

    Russell,

    As Wittgenstein would observe, it isn’t what the word “points to”, it is its usage, i.e., how the word is employed. I think this is a perfect example of the difference between “Tractatus” and “Philosophical Investigations”. Interesting that such a low brow discussion has such high brow ramifications, is it not?

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